Tri Valley says they struggle to make the playoffs because they are in the MVL, which has schools that are smaller than they are. My opinion is that they need
to shore up their non-league schedule. They had one team that they couldn't beat and one team with two wins. What does everyone else think. Please keep
this discussion civil.
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Tri Valley - What does it take to get in the playoffs?
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Tri Valley - What does it take to get in the playoffs? |
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Waterboy
Posts: 7 (10/29/08 11:50 AM) Waterboy |
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All Ohio
Posts: 3672 (10/29/08 12:11 PM) All Ohio |
Riverview is a rivalry game, so it probably stays on the schedule, at least for the foreseeable future. Lake was a last minute add, because St. Charles did
not want to play TV anymore after we knocked them from a play-off spot in 2006. TV had to either take Lake, or a D1 school, or some D5 or 6 schools that were
available. Anything else would have been Canada or West Virginia. Since we were being moved up to D2, and since Buttermore was well aware of the toughness of
Stark County football, it was decided to go that way. Next year, Dover replaces Lake. Still a good bit of points to be had there, even though they are D3.
Remember, had TV beaten Lake, they would have been in at the 8 spot at 8-2, since Watterson lost to Mooney. Sheridan didn't make it in last year at 7-3 either. So, to answer your question, they just need to take care of business. They will always have a chance at 8-2, no matter what JK or others say in the first half of the season. You will note that the upper teams always come back towards the lower teams, if the lower ones keep winning, because most of the upper 8 won't. Region 7 was probable the toughest region to qualify in this year, yet TV was one win away from being there. Probably would have ended in a round one blow-out vs. DeSales, but it would still have been another play-off appearance. Take away the 2 point referee's gift*, and they would have finished no lower than 8th, also. As I have said before, and I am sure that people will get on here and jump me for it, but that one bad call cost TV the play-offs, and changed the psyche of the team. They did not play the same afterwards. |
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All Ohio
Posts: 3398 (10/29/08 12:16 PM) All Ohio |
Short take:
1. Beef up schedule, or get RV to be a better team in the future. I may be a hopless optimist, but Lake was a winnable game last year and this year. Kudos for TV scheduling them. 2. Just win, they have less margin for error than SH or NL, or JG, but most years 9-1 will get them in, 10-0 always will. 3. Becoming D3 would be nice again! 4. Look at Eitel's site, this year the Region was tougher than normal. Just play and win. The other reality is this, and one that I have worried about for a long time. This kind of discussion is totally legit to have, and brings to a head the big split between the large MVL schools (TV, SH, JG) and the smaller ones. In time it may well be that TV heads towards a new conference, where it can meet more schools its size, and compete with them. It would trah the MVL, but make TV a more formidable team in all sports. |
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Fish82 |
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All Ohio
Posts: 2282 (10/29/08 12:33 PM) All Ohio |
Simple. Beat Dover, and finish no worse than 8-2.
I like to think of Jesus as wearin' a Tuxedo T-shirt, 'cause it says, like, "I want to be formal,
but I'm here to party too." I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party.
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Bones |
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All MVL
Posts: 627 (10/29/08 1:08 PM) All MVL |
Actually, region 7 turned out to be the easiest region in D2 in which to "Qualify" for the playoffs. Lowest point total among the 4 8th seeds.
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All Ohio
Posts: 2776 (10/29/08 1:26 PM) All Ohio |
Tri Valley lost to Sheridan and New Lex , thats what kept them home for the playoffs !! Face it , this years team just didn't compete like last years TV
squad , and they lost 3 games and was very close to losing a 4th game . coldawg , " referee's gift " , did you used to play kickball in
Glenford when you were younger ?? There was a kid that whenever his team got beat he ran home crying and yelled back at us calling us cheaters
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All Ohio
Posts: 6309 (10/29/08 1:39 PM) Administrator |
"Please keep this discussion civil. "
Well... that lasted all of 5 posts. goldenhorde, your post could have done without the last 2 sentences. |
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All Ohio
Posts: 2777 (10/29/08 1:52 PM) All Ohio |
BigDawg40 , take off my last 2 sentences then . I was just funnen with coldawg !! It really only lasted 1 civil post , the " referee's gift "
maybe shouldn't have been added either !! Do you think that was not a jab at Sheridan ???? This thread doesn't make much since , 7-3 record playing a
bunch of d-3 & d-4 schools and even a d-5 schools isn't going to get you in the playoffs to many years . Bring up this topic after a 9-1 season and not
getting in !
Last Edited By: goldenhorde
10/29/08 1:58 PM.
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All Ohio
Posts: 1555 (10/29/08 2:07 PM) All Ohio |
I gotta agree here, BD. The big "smilie face" in 'horde's post should show that he was just having fun w/ coldawg.
As far a the "2 point referee's gift" goes, well, what else can be said................................. 
If you make every game a life and death proposition, you're going to
have problems. For one thing, you'll be dead a lot.
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BigDawg40 |
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All Ohio
Posts: 6310 (10/29/08 2:27 PM) Administrator |
I agree with you. He shouldnt have posted it. The game is over and Tri-Valley lost, but we all know some just can't let it go. The point is just don't
respond to THAT point. Respond to the question posed by gametimenow. I think the thread is a completely legitimate question.
Tri-Valley is in a league that offers no room for error to get into the DII playoffs. You lose once and your best hope is for 8th seed in the playoffs. Of course #1 would be to WIN the games, but even then they are at a disadvantage than the rest of the league. What would be #2? A tougher out of league schedule? Should Tri-Valley leave the conference? They are in one of the toughest regions. I think playing Dover is a good step, but they still are DIII. It's an interesting question, but I think the thread would be better served to discuss the topic instead of exchanging pot shots at each other. |
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tarheelblue |
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All Ohio
Posts: 1556 (10/29/08 2:31 PM) All Ohio |
Dover is going to give you the needed points, assuming you can beat them, which is no small feat in it's own right. They accumulated enough points this
season to finish first in the always-tough Region 11.
If you make every game a life and death proposition, you're going to
have problems. For one thing, you'll be dead a lot.
~ Dean Smith |
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All Ohio
Posts: 2778 (10/29/08 2:34 PM) All Ohio |
Point taken Bigdawg , and my apologies to coldawg if I hurt his feelings .
Dover is a great addition to TV and should help them as long as they take care of business in the MVL and also beat Dover as mentioned before . |
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All MVL
Posts: 413 (10/29/08 2:58 PM) Starter |
More wins, less excuses? Must be able to beat the teams in the MVL first or it will not matter what the non league schedule is!! No disrespect meant at all to
TV, just the truth!! You must be able to beat Sheridan and New lex to have the rest matter.
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Godzilla |
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Bench Warmer
Posts: 61 (10/29/08 3:29 PM) Waterboy |
I disagree with go 9-1 and you will make the playoffs. Any team can beat another team on any given day. With that being said. TV with the size of their school
should go shopping for a different conference. If they drop back down to D3 stay right where they are in the MVL. Look around in all of the regions and you
will find teams with worse records making the playoffs. Strength of schedule matters more than going undefeated. Cinny Moeller is in at the 8th spot with a 6-4
record. The high school I graduated from are in the D1 playoffs with a 7-3 record. St. Benedictine won a state title i believe with a regular season record of
5-5. I would search for an out of conference team whom consistanly has a 6-4 record or better. River View has to go. I don't see their program improving
anytime soon. How can that remain a rivalry? One sided butt kickins don't get it for me. Find a new team and start a new rivalry.
TV is not a true competitor in Div. 2. Look at the teams that have a ligit chance at winning the D2 state championship. Mayfield D2, plays half of their games against D1 schools. Their final game of the season, they beat a D1 playoff team. Not to mention Louisville, DeSales and a host of other teams that compete year in and year out with very tough schedules. TV lost to Lake, a non-playoff team. Sorry TV fans, I am just stating the reality of TV's situation. The coach and AD need to look at other options if making the playoffs is important to the program. This is not a knock on the MVL. The size of the schools in this conference are too small for a D2 school. The best thing that could happen to TV is that they fall back to D3 in football and D2 in the other sports so that they can remain in the MVL. |
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ZanesVegas |
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Forum Legend
Posts: 8425 (10/29/08 3:43 PM) Forum Legend |
Moyer, I don't agree that for TV (at D2) to go 8-0 in the MVL is good enough to get the job done year in and year out. The two D4s and one D5 in that mix
is almost poison to their chances, unless ALL THREE are having excellent seasons. A continually weak River View program won't generate much usually,
either, so even 9-1 is not a given.
Consider this -- Watterson got in at 5-5. Yes, I know -- look at who they beat (and don't be surprised if they "upset" DeSales this week). But Watterson getting in at 5-5 is only an EXTREME example that WHO you play (and beat) has a serious effect on your playoff chances. I remember one year when Walsh Jesuit got in at 3-6! Folks, I continue to hear rumblings there are some serious conversations going on in Scottieland about the future. Certainly, geography and economics are not going to allow Tri-Valley to beef up their schedule that much -- the bottom line is you still have to win games to generate those computer points. The question is -- does Tri-Valley want these three years of unprecedented success to be a springboard into that future, or will they be satisfied to one day call this the "Golden Age" of Tri-Valley football? That's a question everyone involved in that program has to answer. |
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BigDawg40 |
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All Ohio
Posts: 6311 (10/29/08 3:58 PM) Administrator |
"More wins, less excuses? Must be able to beat the teams in the MVL first or it will not matter what the non league schedule is!! No disrespect meant at
all to TV, just the truth!! You must be able to beat Sheridan and New lex to have the rest matter. "
Again, not relevant to the point at hand. Just PLAYING Sheridan and New Lexington puts Tri-Valley at a disadvantage. Beating them helps only in the fact that it's not a loss. If you beat them, go 10-0, you still barely make the DII playoffs. Look at last year. The most dominate team in MVL history and they were what? A 6 seed? To Zanes' point, it's time for the TV Athletic Department to do some soul searching. Are they ready to happy with being in the MVL and competing for a 7-8 seed when you win the league, or do you need to move on and compete with schools that even if you lose 2 games, your not killing your chances. Tri-Valley loses to two playoff teams and is nowhere close to sniffing a playoff birth. |
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jda66 |
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All Ohio
Posts: 3002 (10/29/08 4:14 PM) |
What are the odds of them slipping back to D-3? The best team to ever come out of there won one D-2 playoff game. If a high seed was a guarantee of success it
wouldn't have taken New Lex 30 years to win a playoff game.
Yes we can. |
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Fish82 |
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All Ohio
Posts: 2284 (10/29/08 4:27 PM) All Ohio |
Expel everyone in the Math and Chess clubs and drop back to D3. All in favor?
I like to think of Jesus as wearin' a Tuxedo T-shirt, 'cause it says, like, "I want to be formal,
but I'm here to party too." I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party.
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Godzilla |
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Bench Warmer
Posts: 63 (10/29/08 4:33 PM) Waterboy |
Fish way too funny...lol. I second that motion.
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tarheelblue |
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All Ohio
Posts: 1557 (10/29/08 4:51 PM) All Ohio |
Get rid of the soccer team............................................................
If you make every game a life and death proposition, you're going to
have problems. For one thing, you'll be dead a lot.
~ Dean Smith |
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jda66 |
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All Ohio
Posts: 3003 (10/29/08 5:05 PM) |
Those chess club guys always looked like they were up to something anyway....
Yes we can. |
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