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All MVL Posts: 633 (05/26/09 12:28 PM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Obviously I cant claim to be objective about this, but I was curious as to the collective opinions about the selection of Aaron Adams as the league mvp? While I do think the kid is an excellent player,I dont feel that he deserves to be the mvp, with Tri valley sharing the title last year it made sense that Cam West got the nod.Crooksville finished next to last in the league, Adams had some nice outings but if he is the best player than his league record should reflect it.The teams that were at the top of the league were there because of their players; Mcglaughlin,Fondale,Daley.As I stated;I have an opinion that may be slightly blurred, could someone help clear it up for me?
moyer		#1	[-]
All MVL Posts: 520 (05/26/09 2:46 PM) Starter Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	How and why would you choose the three you did over Adam's? Guess first, you might want to know the numbers ALL the kids put up, and what they did for their team! What else did Aaron do besides pitch? What production did he have at the plate? I certainly have no problem at all voting for a kid that pitches, plays a position, and produces good numbers at the plate for his team. I would have a big problem voting for someone who was say 7-1 0r 8-1 pitching and did not do anything else!! Now that is in NO WAY directed at anyone, just a point or example. Guess you would have to have all the teams and players stats to select the few you did? I dont have that information to make a good opinion. I do know one kid that led his team in Average, Hits, RBI'S, Runs, Stolen bases, and also won 5 games pitching, 4 of them league games and a save! His team also shared the MVL Title as well!!!! But again, I have no bone to pick, and I am sure there are several kids out there that posted nice numbers and meant alot to their teams success, I am sure Adams put up some Great numbers as well for his team a contender or not!!! I think if he was the best player in the league regardless of team record then he is deserving of the honor and should be getting congrats thrown his way on here!! Just my opinion though, I am still shaking my head about last year and the numbers a kid named Valle put up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SouthZ		#2	[-]
Bench Warmer Posts: 65 (05/26/09 10:50 PM) Waterboy Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	wmd3, the three kids you named aren't even the best players on their teams! you and moyer seem to be a little biased towards your own kids. just goes to show how different people can have very different views of players abilities.
moyer		#3	[-]
All MVL Posts: 521 (05/27/09 5:14 AM) Starter Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	SouthZ, I agree with your comment to wmd3 in regards to the three he mentioned. But slow down and read what I wrote. Not once have I said anything about Adams not being the right choice!! Not once did I say someone else should have got the honor, I was trying to make a point that you do not have to be on a contender to be the Player of The Year! biased? AGAIN, in my opinion Adams must have put up some very good numbers and I am sure that is why the coaches voted for him!! I am quite sure the coaches had more complete info than anyone on here!! My point was that maybe we throw congrats to the kid!! I am sure all teams had players they thought were special and deserving and I am also sure Adams was a good choice from what I have seen this year!!! Last Edited By: moyer 05/27/09 5:28 AM. Edited 2 times.
walmat	Best player on team?	#4	[-]
All Ohio Posts: 2992 (05/27/09 8:15 AM) All Ohio Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Southz, Gotta stick up for the kid a little bit. For New Lex, who do you think was a better player than Adam Fondale? He was by far the best hitter, baserunner and defensive player on New Lex. He hit . 456, (led the team) stole 17 bases (led the team-didn't get caught); Broke Kory Cook's On base percentage percentage record. (Which Coach Welch thought would NEVER be broken.); Ended the season with a 23-game hitting streak! He was a unanimous All-MVL and Southeast Ohio District selection (Chosen by opposing COACHES). He has been chosen to play in the District All-Star game on June 8. He only pitched three (shutout) innings this year. This is not to take anything away from his teammates and I am not saying he deserves MVP of this league, (I think it should be a Sheridan or Philo player) but I do feel he was New Lex's best player this season.
damview		#5	[-]
All MVL Posts: 634 (05/27/09 12:33 PM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I agree with most of what has been said. I know Adams is a very good ball player, but I dont even think he had a winning pitching record, did he? I know he had strong stats, but I find it hard to believe there wasnt somebody from Sheridan, Philo, New Lex or Tri-Valley that wasnt just as deserving. moyer, I am with you on a pitcher winning POY...that is the same as a pitcher winning MVP in the big leagues, it just shouldnt be given to a guy who play in a fifth of the games, which brings me to my next question: Why isnt there a Pitcher of the Year? I think that would make a lot of sense. That wouldve been an interesting vote between McGlaughlin (sp) Adams, Daley, Folk.... This is why in the MLB, you have a CY Young and MVP. wmd, I think you have the right team, but wrong player. Daley had a solid year, his win-loss record was good, but he just wasnt dominating on the mound. I dont understand why Moore, the catcher hasnt been mentioned. He hit mid to upper .400s, played big in all the big games, was great defensively....also played a very important position, carcher. It seems like a no-brainer to me. I could see a player like Adams winning the award in a year when there werent any other options on the winning teams. Adams is a hell of a player on a bad team. But that just wasnt the case this year.
moyer		#6	[-]
All MVL Posts: 522 (05/27/09 2:41 PM) Starter Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	walmat, those are some very impressive numbers!! Great year for the young man. To the point I tried to make earlier, we on here dont know those numbers for all the kids. Adam would do doubt get my consideration with those numbers if I was voting. Looks like he and the boy up North had similiar numbers, close anyway!! damview, I dont know why they do not have a Pitcher of the Year Award, that would be great. Might sound like a little homerism but as far as a pitcher only, I have to go with McGlaughlin. Folk also very good and just tough to beat. And of course Adams pretty tough on the mound as well. But if I was picking a team, McGlaughlin!!! Sounds like if we had stats to look at, it would be fun to discuss. You know you hear about, and pretty much know who the top players are by reading or listening or watching, but how about the players that did so much, but do not get all the attention? I can speak on Sheridan's "quite players" The young {freshman} Jacob Horsley. Finished very close behind Bobby Denny in almost every hitting stat, as well as stolen bases! Super talent! May be the next D1 player out of the MVL? Made big play after big play all year for Sheridan. He is going to be fun to watch the next three years!! Then you have the catcher Caleb Horsley. Might not have the overall numbers the top few hitters did, but you can not even begin to measure what this kid did for Sheridan this year with numbers! I don't know how many innings he got us out of jams with great plays. Either throwing a runner out, picking someone off base or making a great diving catch to end a inning or game. Not to mention, although only a Junior, a great leader!! The difference in Sheridan this year and the past few was that so many players stepped up at different times! All contributed to the run production! damview, I also thought Moore was very impressive but also thought the unanimous All MVL pick for Philo (Williams) was very good when I seen him. Well Congrats to all, was a great year!!! Last Edited By: moyer 05/27/09 2:48 PM. Edited 1 times.
wmd3		#7	[-]
All MVL Posts: 634 (05/29/09 11:27 AM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sorry, I havent been able to get on here for a few days due to work, as I stated when I opened I am not dissing Adams,and I certainly am not being objective since I am talking about my own kid!! But along w/ what Moyer was saying;if the kid was that good then the teams record should reflect it,they didnt.Adams didnt dominate in the league;they finished last.And I dispute that Christian was good but not dominant;he wasnt beaten!He pitched head to head against Adams and beat him,and he had an excellent year at the plate and in the field.Not going to dispute Josh Moore as POY either,he was Philos' biggest player in the biggest games;he beat TriValley in back to back games; 7 for 8 w/ 2 hrs and 7 rbis. !!Same argument for Sheridans' kids; Mcglaughlin came up big everytime they needed him to,same w/ Spillman and Lotozo and Denny.I just think that Adams wasnt dominant enough to be the poy, if he was then they should have won 6 or 7 games when he pitched and won some games because of his bat and they simply did not.Look back and the previuos kids dont match up w/ this pick;all their teams either won or shared the league title?? Oh well not that big a deal in the grand scheme!! Congrats to all the kids on a great year and much prayed for sucess in the future. On we go to football!!
damview		#8	[-]
All MVL Posts: 635 (05/29/09 12:49 PM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	wmd3 wrote: Sorry, I havent been able to get on here for a few days due to work, as I stated when I opened I am not dissing Adams,and I certainly am not being objective since I am talking about my own kid!! But along w/ what Moyer was saying;if the kid was that good then the teams record should reflect it,they didnt.Adams didnt dominate in the league;they finished last.And I dispute that Christian was good but not dominant;he wasnt beaten!He pitched head to head against Adams and beat him,and he had an excellent year at the plate and in the field.Not going to dispute Josh Moore as POY either,he was Philos' biggest player in the biggest games;he beat TriValley in back to back games; 7 for 8 w/ 2 hrs and 7 rbis. !!Same argument for Sheridans' kids; Mcglaughlin came up big everytime they needed him to,same w/ Spillman and Lotozo and Denny.I just think that Adams wasnt dominant enough to be the poy, if he was then they should have won 6 or 7 games when he pitched and won some games because of his bat and they simply did not.Look back and the previuos kids dont match up w/ this pick;all their teams either won or shared the league title?? Oh well not that big a deal in the grand scheme!! Congrats to all the kids on a great year and much prayed for sucess in the future. On we go to football!! Actually Moore was 5-7 and had 3 RBIs and 1 HR and HE didnt beat TV, Philo did. A matter of fact, in the 2nd game wasnt it 4-0 with Fuller throwing a 2 hitter?The same for Daley, HE didnt beat CV, Philo did. All of these numbers are available on line on the TRs website. I agree 100% with what you are saying about Adams as POY. I couldnt agree more. But, if Daley wasnt your son (which I take it he is) you wouldnt say he was dominating. His record was very good, no doubt. But as the year went on, he struggled if I remember right. Didnt he only pitch 2-3 innings vs TV and Maysville (I was at this game and he was hit hard) Here is an example of why I dont think he was dominating. Lets use the CV game as an example. Adams had to stike out players to record outs. The rest of his team (defense) made errors to help Philo score. He had 10 Ks or so. Daley had just a couple Ks so he has to depend on his team to make plays behind him. You dont see many HS teams that can record that many outs with out a big strike out pitcher. Again, Daley is a fine pitcher, but he isnt a dominating pitcher. A dominating pitcher doesnt need the rest of his team as much unless they are throwing the ball around after Ks. This is the BIG difference between Daley and Adams. Ask yourself this question: What would Adams record have been if he pitched for Sheridan, Philo, NL, or TV? One thing I do remember about Daley, he battled hard. It seemed everytime I saw him throw, or read in the paper, or talked to a coach, he was pitching out of a jam. That takes toughness, which evidently he has.
wmd3	as a matter of fact	#9	[-]
All MVL Posts: 636 (05/29/09 1:41 PM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bottom line is Christian was 6 and 0 with 1 no decision, yea he had a better team than Adams did but how does that figure in to the equation? Do we reward good players on lesser teams?Does that make Kevin Martin better than Lebron because Lebron has a better team or does Lebron elevate his team to be better?? I nteresting questions.Another point is the teams that Crooksville played;beating Wterford 31-0 and 19-1 doesnt equate to playing Lakewood and Zanesville,not that the kids have any control over it but still has to be part of the equation doesnt it??Measuring strikeouts against wins and losses is a no brainer isnt it??
damview		#10	[-]
All MVL Posts: 637 (05/29/09 1:53 PM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You are arguing with yourself. I agree with what you are saying about POY. And I am not comparing wins vs Ks. I used that as an example of what a dominating pitcher is. Greg Maddux never dominated anyone, but he will go down as one of the best "pitchers" ever. Also, didnt Philo play Licking Heights, Marietta and Coshocton? Those are pretty good non-league games. Didnt Daley start a game earlier in the year for a ND? TV maybe, or maybe a non-league? I cant remember, I am going by memory from the paper. I thought I remember thinking its good they got a win with him not chewing up a bunch of innings??? I dont know....I know he started the biggest game of the year (even though he got a ND), so the coach must have thought highly of him. (vs Maysville at end of year) Comparing Lebron to Kevin Martin makes no sense. Lebron is obviously a better play no matter if you and I were on his team.
ZanesVegas		#11	[-]
Forum Legend Posts: 8682 (06/08/09 10:15 AM) Forum Legend Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I would give you LH and Marietta in that one, damview, but not Coshocton. They were not very good at all this year. Philo also played Fort Frye, though, and that's a pretty tough team. I do think, however, that there should be a Player of the Year and Pitcher of the Year, but I would not preclude a player from winning both of them -- simply because for many teams, their best player may also be the best pitcher. I just don't think it's safe to compare high school baseball (especially in an area like ours, with smaller schools) to how the Major Leagues do it.
damview		#12	[-]
All MVL Posts: 639 (06/08/09 11:49 AM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	ZanesVegas wrote: I would give you LH and Marietta in that one, damview, but not Coshocton. They were not very good at all this year. Philo also played Fort Frye, though, and that's a pretty tough team. I do think, however, that there should be a Player of the Year and Pitcher of the Year, but I would not preclude a player from winning both of them -- simply because for many teams, their best player may also be the best pitcher. I just don't think it's safe to compare high school baseball (especially in an area like ours, with smaller schools) to how the Major Leagues do it. ZV--traditionally speaking..... All Philo has to do is schedule these teams. I know they are interested in playing good non-league teams. Coshocton is a good program, they just had a down year. I also forgot to mention Zanesville and Lakewood. They also had Licking Valley and I believe Warren Local scheduled, but didnt get to play them.
ZanesVegas		#13	[-]
Forum Legend Posts: 8689 (06/08/09 1:14 PM) Forum Legend Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	LV was outstanding, Warren not so much. But as you note with Coshocton, Warren is usually pretty good. But I do think Coshocton is in for several down years. They weren't very good last year, weren't very good this year, and I can tell you from up-close-and-personal experience, their JVs this year were horrendous (and poorly coached, too). Don't know if your young-uns got to play them, but they were just ... bad. The natives are restless up there about that program. Right there is probably one pretty good reason why Yoder left for Tri-Valley. Rusty's doing a great job at Philo. Scheduling good non-league competition and then actually getting to play them are two different things, as we all know, and there is no control over that. Still, he's raising the bar for his program, and I'm always for that. What's more, at least from here, it looks like his kids enjoy playing for him, and that's half the battle.
Toz15		#14	[-]
All MVL Posts: 577 (06/17/09 9:15 AM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've coached Aaron in summer ball in the past and have no problem with his selection. I've commented many times how it would have been great to have him at Sheridan. He's a complete competitor no matter what the situation in any sport. The kind of player I love. Are there also others that might have warrnated the award.... sure. There were some really good kids in the league this season. I'm more upset that we clinched "at least" a share of the MVL title first, beat Philo twice, scored more runs than Philo and walmat still puts the Electrics above us in his "Standings Thread".... I think its more a SHS/NL thing.... LOL
ZanesVegas		#15	[-]
Forum Legend Posts: 8712 (06/17/09 1:57 PM) Forum Legend Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Purely "alphabetical," I'm sure. Walmat would have no other motivations. Right? I mean, just sayin' ....
DC 14		#16	[-]
All Ohio Posts: 3464 (06/17/09 5:05 PM) Local user Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hey, even if he went with Electrics and Generals, Philo still finishes on top! lol
Toz15		#17	[-]
All MVL Posts: 578 (06/18/09 7:50 AM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I refuse to accept both of your completely logical statements and will hold true to my core belief that its an intentional slam at us.......
DC 14		#18	[-]
All Ohio Posts: 3466 (06/19/09 4:58 PM) Local user Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hey we tried ZV! BTW, I've seen that they're building additions to the housing in Toz's territory. I'm not sure if they're adding to the family or what, but the color is terrible! lol
Sweet16Fan		#19	[-]
All MVL Posts: 642 (06/22/09 9:35 PM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Adams deserved the Player of the Year. His team was the last playing I think and he just signed at West Virginia Wesleyan. Congrats Aaron and Good Luck in College.
Toz15		#20	[-]
All MVL Posts: 582 (06/25/09 11:58 PM) All MVL Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	DC14, Those colors are awesome if you ask me!!!! they should have built it closer to the road so it would be seen like the Rockies as you travel down 13. LOL

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