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Hey, my eyes are still good enough to see it as I go back and forth. lol
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wmd3 wrote:The most valuable player award says nothing about the player having to play on an above .500 team or a district title winning team. It is an award given to the player that is the most valuable asset to his/her team. What would Crooksville have been like without Adams on their team this year? It depends which perspective you are looking at it. Personally, I don't think Cam West should have been the MVP last year. IMO, There was a more deserving player on JG, but since he wasn't in the newspaper all the time like West, he simply got overlooked. But most definitely, one player cannot carry a whole team, not even in the MVL. |
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ZanesVegas |
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Here's a question: On how many other MVL teams this year would Aaron Adams have been the No. 1 pitcher? Be honest now.
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philokid |
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Probably all but Philo,Sheridan & New Lex.
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DC 14 |
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That may be questionable too philokid. You'd have to consider TV and JG also as both had some really good pitching, but in the opinion of many he may have
been the top man for any staff. I know he and Folkie really had a great battle in their last game with NL coming out on top, but was he better?
Believe me, I'm not taking anything away from Adam or any other top pitchers, but Aaron is definitely a good one. |
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How is it that when people talk about Adams,its implied that he did everything for Crooksville, but people have implied that Christian, Folk,Mcglaughlin all
dont get the same treatment because they were on better teams?Adams lost head to head w/Folk,he lost head to head w/Christian,and he lost head to head w/every
one else in the top half of the league.Again Im not dissing Aarron,great kid with potentially great stuff.But the fact is he wasnt dominant against the top
half of the league.And alot of those strikeouts came against Miller and Wterford!!If he had won all or most of the games he started I wouldnt have any problem
w/the selection.Fact is he didnt.
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philokid |
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Yes, Tri-Valley & John Glenn did have good pitchers also, but i don't believe they had a clear cut #1 unlike the 3 I mentioned. John Glenn had, Merry
& Morland at the top while Tri-Valley had Ayres & Sharrer. I, personally believe Adams is better than those 4. Which is why in my opinion he would have
been the #1 on those teams. Where, New Lex had Folk, Sheridan Mcgloughlin, & Philo Daley who were the clear cut #1's imo.
I don't disagree with the selection, because you can't hold a great player accountable for their team's lack of success. There is only so far you can carry a team, especially when you only pitch maybe one of every 4 of 5 games. He did GREAT things for his teams lack of talent, atleast, in my opinion.
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DC 14 |
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One thing that has been mentioned too is the fact that he did more than pitch and he did that well.
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ZanesVegas |
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In a way, this kind of reminds me of Kevin Martin. Prior to last year, if you kept up with the Sacramento media, he was a darling. Last year he got hurt (and
played hurt!), but since the Kings won a whopping 17 games and he missed 31 games, suddenly he wasn't really all that good -- despite averaging about 25
points per game on a bad leg that eliminated his explosiveness.
I also think of a Steve Carlton, who once won 27 games for a Phillies team that only won 32 others in the same season. This all comes down to personal definitions of the most "valuable" player in the league. Is it truly who was most valuable to his team? Or is it the singular player in the league who you would want on your team? And if that's the case, wouldn't the award be better-named the most OUTSTANDING player? Voted awards are rarely clear cut. HS football polls, league MVPs -- they're all cut from the same cloth. Usually, the award is simply voted to the best player on the best team. I think it's interesting that the coaches in the league felt it was a player from one of the lesser teams. Must have been an interesting discussion. |
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philokid |
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There was a Philo soccer player in this same boat this past season. I know I wish i could have been at the meeting just to hear the discussion!
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Its amazing, but if you listen to ESPN you will hear these same types of discussions aboutl the Pro Awarads and All Star teams. You will never make everyone
happy and everyone will always have their own opinion. You can't give out enough awards for all of the great players. Hopefully they don't let it
diminish there great seasons.
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DC 14 |
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Good point EP12. None of the boys should allow it to diminish their accomplishments. Another thing is, regardless of who it is, most coaches would find a spot
for him on their team if he is that valuable in everyone else's eyes.
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moyer |
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Alot of talk about pitching. IMO you MUST know all the top players overall stats before you can even have this debate, What was their total production at the
plate. How many runs did they produce for their teams, RBI'S, Runs scored, what were their ending averages, stolen bases ect. If they did pitch #1, 2 or 3,
how many wins did they have? You put all that info together and you have the player their team would miss the most, and that is the most valuable player!! If
a pitcher pitched say 7-8 games and that is all they did, I do not know why they are even in this conversation for the LEAGUE MVP. Several kids had great years
this year and all were very valuable to their teams. I never got to see Daley pitch but reading the papers and talking with others, it seems as though he also
had a great year on the mound and contributed to the run production, and if I remember right the team with the most runs wins!! There were several kids
including Daley that I do know a little of how they helped their teams at the plate and on the mound. What I have been told of Aarron, he had a great year at
the plate as well. I know someone who had 5 wins for his team as well as leading them in almost every offensive catagory, he as Daley also had the honor to be
on the CO/ Championship team. Too much talk on number one pitchers and not enough on total contribution! Untill someone can produce stats to show everyones
total contribution, I see no good debate and no reason why Aarron does not deserve the award!!
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ZanesVegas |
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Certainly, I don't think any debate involving Aaron ends with pitching, but that would be his primary position strength, so perhaps that's why more
focus there. But yes, usually the person believed to be your league's best player is also a major contributor elsewhere in the field and also at the plate
and on the bases.
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wmd3 |
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Its' time to let this debate end,and not in a negative way; all the kids being talked about had great years and are moving on to hopefully bigger and
better things.I want to make sure that everyone understands that I never intended to belittle or diminish Aarron or his achievements.I know he will represent
the area and himself with dignity and honor as will all the kids.Best of luck to all and God bless.
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ZanesVegas |
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Indeed.
It's one of the reasons I try not to put much stock in these kinds of things. It's just a beauty pageant, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are always several worthy candidates, and to forcibly single one out over the others is quite often a disservice to ALL of them. It is rarely ever objective. |
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