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Obama over-exposure: helping or hurting his cause
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Posts: 4760 (12/10/09 2:36 PM) |
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Sgt Buckeye |
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All Ohio
Posts: 1271 (12/10/09 2:42 PM) All MVL |
No just glad he finally aknowledged that we were in this war, and shows more of a "in it to win attitude".
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All Ohio
Posts: 4762 (12/10/09 2:53 PM) |
Okey doeky just checkin!
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knightsschizo |
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Forum Legend
Posts: 15024 (12/10/09 3:07 PM) Forum Legend |
But the majority of the people are against it.
"Wild Hogs, Lose The Watches"
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jda66 |
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All Ohio
Posts: 4763 (12/10/09 3:09 PM) |
This may be the one time Sarge and I are on the same same side of the fence.
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Sgt Buckeye |
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All Ohio
Posts: 1272 (12/10/09 3:12 PM) All MVL |
Yes the majority are against it now, but when it started over 80% were for it, again shows how fickle people are. Thing is once you start a war, you can't
just say wait, time out, lets see if we want to really do this or not. Once you engage, there is really only one option, ans that is to win.
jda and I are on the same fence...lol well it did snow today....lol |
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All Ohio
Posts: 4765 (12/10/09 3:13 PM) |
Yikes Its supposed to snow this time of year where I am. Where the heck are you?
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Sgt Buckeye |
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All Ohio
Posts: 1274 (12/10/09 3:18 PM) All MVL |
good 'ol Muskingum county, I like snow, but this wind can leave now. I lived in Oklahoma for 5 years, this is how winter was there. I can say I was colder
in Oklahoma, then I was in 9 years in Anchorage, Alaska. You can dress for cold, but this wind in a different stroy.
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knightsschizo |
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Posts: 15025 (12/10/09 9:27 PM) Forum Legend |
Folks were originally for the health care change, too. They are fickle. My attitude is similar on health care: it was engaged to help a mass of people. So,
IMO, it needs to win. It is the ultimate option. Political reality will win the day, IMO. Per our latest war and per health care, all kinds of compromising
will continue.
"Wild Hogs, Lose The Watches"
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jkumpire |
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All Ohio
Posts: 3642 (12/11/09 12:03 PM) All Ohio |
Just one little tidbit outside of the major debates embarrassing the anointed One.
"It wouldn't be the holiday season without Congress rushing through another pork-filled omnibus spending bill. This year, not even a recession or $1.4 trillion budget deficit prompted even the slightest deviation from business-as-usual budgeting. Here are two key observations on this year's spend-o-rama: First, while most people have focused on health care and cap-and-trade, discretionary spending has leaped by 25 percent since the Democrats took the Congressional majority three years ago - plus $311 billion in additional "stimulus" discretionary spending. This comes to $561 billion more in discretionary spending over these three years than if they had limited growth to the baseline inflation rate. Worse, this new spending has pushed the 2011-2020 discretionary spending baseline $1.7 trillion higher than three years ago. We'll be paying this bill for decades. Even with a massive budget deficit, this Congress raised their own office allowances by 8.4 percent, and gave huge increases to LIHEAP (120 percent), the Corporation for National and Community Service (mostly Americorps, 30 percent), Transportation Security Administration (20 percent) and the NEA and NEH (8.1 percent each). Second, remember President Obama's pledge to "slash earmarks to no greater than 1994 levels" of 1,318? He followed up that promise by signing a pork-laden omnibus bill in February, and then promising once again to cut pork next time. House Democrats made similar pledges. Well, this bill contains 5,224 earmarks, bringing the year's total to 8,939, and with a remaining defense bill that will likely push the total past 10,000 (this year's whoppers includes $750,000 for the World Food Prize in Des Moines). In other words: promises made, promises brazenly broken. After blasting the GOP majority for exceeding 10,000 earmarks twice in twelve years, the Democratic majority will have exceeded 10,000 in each of its first three years. And President Obama - who recently said, "If my administration evaluates an earmark and determines that it has no legitimate public purpose, then we will seek to eliminate it" - hasn't publicly criticized a single earmark. Is this the "change" the American people voted for?" Source: National Review Online via the Heritage Foundation |
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A Question Knights | ||
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All Ohio
Posts: 3643 (12/11/09 12:07 PM) All Ohio |
knightsschizo wrote:According to the latest CBO scoring of the Reid healthcare bill: Maybe the people are "fickle" because all the evidence points to this being simply a power grab by the fascists who run the Democratic Party and worship at the altar of unlimited government power. |
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knightsschizo |
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Posts: 15029 (12/11/09 1:16 PM) Forum Legend |
So, is the "anointed one" a fascist or communist? Differentiate the isms for us when making those scurrilous attacks. IMO, it is a good thing, the
true fascist administration from 2000-2008 didn't have to tax the people for their nation-building crusade. About a trillion borrowed to go after an
unfounded cause, all in the name of God and Americanism. I'll hold with my middle view that a compromise of some sort per health care will be achieved. If
you want the GOP to come away the "winner" and the status quo remains intact, the right-wing will be who pays the political price next November. Why?
Folks want a health care system that is not fostered in pure Capitalism but they don't want to pay too much for it. The new-age conundrum, IMO. My
attitude, which I've conveyed throughout, is that trimmings need to be made that don't directly benefit the masses. I might imagine your response if
the war in Afghanistan was to be funded through an additional tax. The charges of a federal bureaucrat coming between patients and their doctors is laughable
compared to the obscene profit levels that the Health Industry garners, pitting private bureaucrats between patients and their doctors.
"Wild Hogs, Lose The Watches"
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12/11/09 1:21 PM.
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All Ohio
Posts: 1277 (12/11/09 2:40 PM) All MVL |
Knight, I think most do want healthcare change, reform whatever you want to call it, the question is at what price? I think the idea of adding to the 12
trillion dollar debt has most people really worried. The Clinton machine tried to do this, but they tried to listen to what people were saying they wanted but
it just wasn't able to happen. I think the big fear is the Obama Nation will just force something on us that we really won't like and can't afford.
I still like the idea of letting insurance companies compete across statelines. It may not be the fix all, but it would be a good start.
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jda66 |
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All Ohio
Posts: 4780 (12/11/09 3:50 PM) |
Why do you guys keep saying it adds to the debt when the vaunted CBO says the bill reduces the deficit? BTW what were the CBO's numbers per uninsured and
deficit regarding the republican alternative?
I think people are entitled to march without a permit. When you have a few hundred thousand people on the street you have permission.
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