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Sheridan Generals 2009-2010 General Discussion
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Bench Warmer
Posts: 75 (10/11/09 9:57 PM) Bench Warmer |
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All Ohio
Posts: 2697 (10/11/09 10:24 PM) Moderator
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I have no bone in this fight but I thought I would throw in an unbiased view.
First, Dupler is a good coach, not the best, but he is far from the worst. His teams always compete, they may not win every game but that's not what a coaches job is. To me, a coaches job is to put their team in a position to win, the players have to win themselves a coach just gets them the opportunity. Last years group finished in the league about where they did all from all stars to varsity. They were never a great basketball group so where you were thinking they should win the MVL is beyond me. Also, a coach doesn't care if the fans enjoy watching it, that's not their job to think about what Dan & Jim want to see. If I was coaching I wouldn't give a damn if you think its fun to watch, that's not my job. My job is to give my team the best possible chance to win. Dupler doesn't have a lot of basketball players like Tri-Valley, they have athletes that play basketball. It's hard to go from football to basketball within a weeks time. You never fully feel like your in basketball shape until mid way through the season. But of course, this is just my opinion.
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Bench Warmer
Posts: 146 (10/11/09 10:25 PM) Bench Warmer |
First if some changes were made, you probably get the only true point guard from roaming the halls, playing.
Second, change the defense, run some different presses and create a tempo to your teams liking. Now you will not have instant success but you create an atmosphere during games and practices that equals FUN. Ask anyone who has played the last 9 years if they had fun and 90% probably say no...except for class of 99. 2 years ago we had the fastest team in the MVL with Balser and Smith...Crader..and we walked the ball up the court...played a lot of zone defense...and left some kids on the JV that should have been moved up. And who could play when you always had to look over your shoulder to see if you were coming out for making a turnover or missing a rebound. Players will make mistakes...let them play and to see if they can attone for their mistakes. I am not advocating for keeping kids in if they continue to hurt the team. We will never know what changes in previous years would have led to, but if history is any indication, Sheridan will be forever a mediocre team that wins only the games it supposed to. |
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All Ohio
Posts: 2698 (10/11/09 10:45 PM) Moderator
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Most of the things you mentioned happen everywhere. There are always good players not playing for one reason or another. This was the case at Philo for many
years & still is. The class of '08(at philo) tore up in junior high & then in high school only 2 players were left their senior year. There is no
such thing as a fun practice. Just because you're fast does not mean you are good. I'm sorry but Balser was just not very good at basketball. He was OK
but, nothing to write home about. When you typically have a month or so to get ready for your first basketball game like Sheridan usually does, you have to
keep things simple, you can't be throwing in a bunch of different defenses with only a month to practice them. As much as basketball practices sucked, it
was the best time time of my life. Obviously you know more about this than I do & i hope Sheridan can figure out what they need to do to get better.
Best of Luck to the Generals this season!
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Posts: 278 (10/11/09 10:55 PM) Waterboy |
What are these changes ssminow?
I agree with philokid on the coaching assessment. Most in the area do. Probably in the middle tier. Actually agree with all that philokid said. "Fastest team in the MVL" doesn't mean a thing unless you're measuring it while handling a basketball with your head up in traffic looking for an easy score. You need ball handlers to push the ball in transition. If you wanna control tempo (either fast or slow) be able to put a couple kids capable of running the point on the floor at the same time. A slower game typically will allow a more athletic/lesser skilled team hang in and have a chance to win. I would do things differently from a defensive side. I've seen a lot more zone at Sheridan over the years (all the way down to the youth level) than you do at some other schools. If you can't play man, you won't be effective playing any sort of zone. Now, the fun aspect. Winning is fun. Top level basketball, even in the MVL, is a year-round process. Sheridan has a couple pretty good players that do put in a lot of year-round effort. Morgan, Philo and Crooksville were the only schools that didn't have at least two varsity level kids play this spring. It's not coincidence that I think these will be the bottom teams in the league. I do think Sheridan could win 12-15 games and finish somewhere between third and fifth in a league where the top six teams will be pretty competitive.
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Forum Legend
Posts: 14575 (10/11/09 11:10 PM) Forum Legend |
philokid, I think your postings are reality based. I am speaking of your generalites. Things happen everywhere and have since day one when it comes to the
studs roaming around in the halls of our schools. I'd bet there are a billion different reasons. TT, I was surprised, when scouting last season, just how
many more zone defenses were being utilized and I mean straight zones, not match-up type of schemes. IMO, and this is what separates the coaches of the MVL
from fans and observers: Finding the right tempo based on the skill level of one's team takes experience in the long-run and knowing one's team after
hundreds of hours of practice. Running and scoring is the ideal image of fun basketball BUT it takes good ball-handling and above-average shooting skills.
"Wild Hogs, Lose The Watches"
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Posts: 279 (10/11/09 11:25 PM) Waterboy |
Knights, I agree with what you're saying on the use of zone defenses. IMO, you need to teach a heavy dose of man up through the freshman year from a
development standpoint. Without doing that and having a solid defensive foundation, you might be hamstringing your varsity program and their options if your
kids have played a 2-3 zone for 80% of the time up till then.
I saw a decent amount of zone played at the state tournament last spring but, it was more match-up variety and more agressive than our MVL version. |
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All Ohio
Posts: 2989 (10/12/09 8:33 AM) All Ohio |
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TraditionContinues |
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Bench Warmer
Posts: 89 (10/12/09 10:11 AM) |
I can see Sheridan being near the top of the league this year. I've been saying it alot, i think this team is a better TEAM. Last year the team had to many
contrasting egos and characters. they were to busy working on out doing each other instead of working together and doing what was better for the team. Just not
good chemistry. The only time i saw it was the Fairfield Union tourny game, everyone played their hearts out.
But this team has guys that will go all out, do what's better for the team. They also a good number of scorers. Look for Horsley,Crane,Busby,Sweeny and Myers to lead them, A good group of kids that could put them over. They wont quit. |
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Waterboy
Posts: 3 (10/12/09 9:36 PM) |
I look for Sheridan to surprise a whole lot of people this basketball season! This group of boys have a lot of fun when they are together and that will
translate to a lot of better playing on the court than the last couple of years! Yes, they would love to have Broc but Anthony can handle the point. He has
been there before but now he is a better decision maker. They will put up some points and they will play great defense.
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All Ohio
Posts: 4130 (10/12/09 9:53 PM) Owner and Administrator |
I don't think it will be a surprise. Anyone who follows the league closely already knows that this group is talented enough to be at or near the top of the
league.
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Posts: 282 (10/16/09 11:14 AM) Bench Warmer |
How long has Coach Dupler been a head coach at Sheridan? Now look at the winning percentage for that period and then ask Paul Culver if he would be satisfied,
and then ask him if he would still be coaching football at Sheridan if those were his statistics? I will guarantee you that something would have changed in a
very few years, and it would have been for the better or he (Coach Culver) would not be a head coach at Sheridan.
Sometimes that hardest thing in the world is to be objective about your own abilities.
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john78 |
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Waterboy
Posts: 20 (10/16/09 11:45 AM) Waterboy |
theoldestfan,
who do you want to coach the team? |
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ssminow |
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Bench Warmer
Posts: 147 (10/16/09 8:06 PM) Bench Warmer |
Well maybe they SHS needs to clean house top to bottom and bring someone in with no ties to Sheridan. Fresh start could bring excitement to basketball played
at Glen Hursey Gym. It sure has not been exciting since after 99-00 season
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Alpha |
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Waterboy
Posts: 46 (10/16/09 9:44 PM) |
My numbers are pretty close. The last 90 games of the Dupler era the generals are 35-55.
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balla |
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All MVL
Posts: 549 (10/17/09 6:14 PM) |
Crane will struggle at point guard. He is a wing, however, he is the only player playing that can do this. There is no doubt we should be in the top two or
three in the league. The league is very very weak and we have some nice talent. I will be shocked if we are not in the title race at the end of the year!
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theoldestfan |
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Starter
Posts: 285 (10/19/09 9:16 AM) Bench Warmer |
john78
I am sure there are people willing to take the job that have the ability to at least move the program in the direction of improvement. What we have had in the past is the status quo. I could name several people, but what good would that do except get me barred from posting on this forum. Get a good group of candidates make some long and serious evaluations of them and make a decision, get some educated input from outside, non-partial sources that know the games and use that as the basis for your decision. That is all you can do. But for sure get away from the "buddy" system that now exists and the overwhelming influence from the administration. Don't hire some one that caters to the supers whims, hire a basketball coach. |
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ssminow |
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Bench Warmer
Posts: 149 (10/21/09 10:16 PM) Bench Warmer |
Amen!!!!! |
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bballdad63 |
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Waterboy
Posts: 3 (10/27/09 10:45 PM) |
i know most of the boys play football but i heard the generals haven't even had one open gym yet?
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Money balla |
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All Ohio
Posts: 1345 (10/28/09 10:51 AM) All Ohio |
I believe something along the lines of 27 out of the 30 players 9-12 play football. The junior high had their first open gym yesterday.
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